Question on Bits

[Morgan]

I have read the rules and seen that the Baucher bit is allowed to be used in dressage. I think it is page 2 on this link bit 4
www.efansw.com.au/site/equestrian/national/downloads/2005/3DE/rules/Annex_01_Dressage_Gear.pdf

This only (as far as I know) come as a jointed snaffle and the horse that it is needed for goes better in a mullen mouth.

So my question is, can a mullen mouth kimblewick be used without the chain in the dressage phase. www.kingstons.net.au/category50_1.htm 3rd image down.

Thanks

[SimoneM]

No a kimblewick while probably better than say the drop cheek snaffle is not allowed as far as i know.

[becca]

I think the bits on the first 2 pages (list and pictures) are only when a double bridle is beinf used, it says types of bridoon bits and types of curb bits. The pages 3 and 4 I'm assuming are the ones that can be used for the lower grades where a double bridle is not permitted. The bit on page 4 (#8)- hanging cheek snaffle... looks similar but is a snaffle not a bridoon. I'm pretty sure a kimberwick can't be used because it's similar to a pelham or something. Anything that allows that leverage I don't think can be used. But I may be wrong

[Morgan]

The drop bit is allowed in dresage, it is actually listed further down the page. But think your right about the mullen mouth and kimblewick bit.

[vicki]

You can use a Mullen mouth snaffle. The check pieces and the reins are connected same 'd' or 'ring' that is part of the bit.

But with a kimblewick the check pieces are connected to a separate ring to the reins, which means there is leverage, so it is not a snaffle! Kimblewicks are a variation on a Pelham and they are not allowed in dressage.

The hanging check snaffle, is sort of different, (the only one that I know off) the ring is separate but still part of the bit so doesn't cause a leverage action?