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Post by vicki on Jun 28, 2012 4:54:47 GMT -4
What??? Who comes to compete in Australia?
The best compete in Australia! And all the O/S Eventers started here and learnt through Pony Club and EA National events....they didn't just go to UK/Europe and instantly they were good...they learnt here!
The USA have it right, if you don't reside in the country, you don't get funding and you pay the USA apprx $100 additional fee for every FEI event that you enter as a rider representing USA ...just for the privalage.
Flying Finish became an AUS horse on 13/12/2011.
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Post by sylviag on Jun 28, 2012 8:42:32 GMT -4
OK, still learning. What funding do team members receive? WHen do they receive funding, when they are nominated to the national eventing squad? Or when they are listed in either the elite squad or the A squad?
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Post by bella on Jun 28, 2012 10:41:11 GMT -4
Well, that's not what I was saying. I am simply pointing out that it could be viewed as beneficial to compete against other countries (aside from the odd new zealander) in a bid to be selected for the Olympics, which is against other nations.
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Post by bono on Jun 28, 2012 18:04:08 GMT -4
I totally agree Vicki. If we don't do something to get the rules changed that you must reside in Australia what is the point of Australian eventing. If its all about medals then go an buy the best riders and horses in the world and give them an Australian passport. That is NOT what I want to see. I want to be able to barrack for the riders that I know and not some stranger.
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Post by sylviag on Jun 28, 2012 19:03:29 GMT -4
Yes, tending to agree with the USA system, if you want to ride for Australia you are based here or at the mininimum do sme competing here. All riders selected are Australian but are they 'Australian' eventers. Not a good idea to have a system whereby you only have a chance of being selected if you are overseas. At this stage that would appear to be the perception.
That would knock out alot of home based riders. Again, the results that I have looked at on the Britishing eventing web site show that, overall, the Ozzie riders overseas have not had outstandingly better results than Ozzie riders here. One overseas combination has withdrawn from XC 3 times this year according to results on British eventing web site. What is that all about?? One of our combinations has had no withdrawals, run outs, or refusses on XC for a long time and wasn't picked. BUT - I have mentioned this already, if Austin Ligon's article (eventing nation) is correct then we are not competing as a 'team' at the Olympics but a group of individuals. Maybe the selectors are looking at it from the point of view that they needed to choose riders that could get an individual medal. Is there somebody around who understands the difference between competing as a team and competing as individuals and can explain?? Is there a difference?? Still learning................
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Post by Michelle on Jun 28, 2012 19:33:29 GMT -4
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Post by Michelle on Jun 28, 2012 19:38:37 GMT -4
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Post by bono on Jun 28, 2012 19:55:17 GMT -4
They may have a choice if the members can vote for a rule change. What are the chances of that. EA doesn't want to listen to the members views.
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Post by bella on Jul 1, 2012 10:31:11 GMT -4
Bono, I'm sure if you wrote EA a letter with all your ideas, they'd at the very least have a discussion about it. No idea why you would think they don't listen to members views.
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Post by Henry hicks on Jul 1, 2012 17:22:48 GMT -4
I don't come here often these days....but the joys of returning to the forum at around Olympic selection time.... Some more ingredients for the soup- 1 We have been lucky enough to have had 2 horses on the 'long list', 'elite list' or 'shadow team' (it goes by various names) over the years - Wendela Jackamin before Sydney 2000 and more recently Wendela Jamie. We did get some funding for Jack but I cannot remember how much it was ( as it was basically last century). We have had some funding for Jamie in the last 12 months, which was very much appreciated, but having bred Jamie and now funded his eventing career for almost 15 years, my suspicion is that the funding represents much less than 5% of what it has cost us over the years to bred/prepare/compete a horse at a level that warrants selection on the Elite list...but I haven't sat down and done the figures. (BTW he is possibly for sale/lease if anyone wants schoolmaster who has never had an XC jumping fault....) 2 Selections are always a vexed issue. I would not have picked quite a few in the recent Wallaby sides v Wales but they did the job despite me...although it was close! I will look forward to the extra critical posts appearing when the Aussies bomb out in London and equally the humble pie posts when we win Gold 3 There would be a mechanism under the EA constitution whereby a group of concerned members could put up a motion to change certain criteria eg such as to the USA type selection rules. I haven't read the rules but it usually involves a specified majority of members at an AGM etc. But everything has it's downsides....those rules may have made it very difficult for Burto to go OS and get selected. 4 I have known Jim Dunn for many years through the eventing world and have enjoyed some good times and also had some interesting discussions with him! I wish him well with his health problems.
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Post by pudding on Jul 2, 2012 3:22:44 GMT -4
"I will look forward to the extra critical posts appearing when the Aussies bomb out in London and equally the humble pie posts when we win Gold" Henry Hicks, well said! So true isn't it. Andrew Hoy - well it's a bit like someone said about Zara getting selected over Nicola Wilson - it has a bit of 'fairytale' around it don't you think? I.e. the fact that he's been in 8 Olympics. That is pretty amazing. And sells papers. Not saying it's right or wrong but it's very newsworthy. Like Henry said I hope we will all say "yep, right selection" when that gold comes in.... Hang on, didn't Andrew live at Princess Anne's joint for a while? Maybe there's some royal influence at play??
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Post by vicki on Jul 2, 2012 10:54:03 GMT -4
The members belong to a State.
And only the States are the 'Members' of National.
And National conduct the High Performance program, not the States.
Bono you can correspond with your State Body. The State will discuss you views and send it onto National.
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