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Post by sylviag on Jun 22, 2012 6:26:45 GMT -4
At the risk of putting my neck on the chopping block, being a neville nobody in the sport and possibly coming from a position of ignorance....................
Can't help feeling a bit surprised about the timing of the chairman of selectors stepping down on Monday at a crucial moment.
How do I find a comprehensive list of performances, say over the last 2 years of the people/horses selected for the team?? For example, how do I find a comprehensive list of the performances of Rutherglen??
I know nothing about the selection criteria but am interested to have more of an understanding if that is possible.
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Post by Allie on Jun 22, 2012 7:11:53 GMT -4
EA has put out a press release to say 'athletes' have appealed
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Post by biggirl on Jun 22, 2012 19:47:01 GMT -4
Sylvia, Jim Dunn stepped down as chairman due to health reasons, see the press release on EA website Monday
everyone I know has looked up Rutherglen's performances, and found them fairly easily, someone may have even posted a link on good ol facebook, but yes where did that one spring from!!
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Post by sylviag on Jun 23, 2012 19:42:33 GMT -4
Well, to step down at such a crucial moment, surely there must be more to it. Disagreements between the selectors sounds like a possibility.
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Post by cm on Jun 23, 2012 22:30:40 GMT -4
Sylvia, you are correct. You are speaking from a position of ignorance, and your presumptions about the chair of selectors is just plain wrong.
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Post by vicki on Jun 24, 2012 0:46:10 GMT -4
Eventing results are esy to find, go to the FEI serch. data.fei.org/ |
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Post by pudding on Jun 24, 2012 1:10:55 GMT -4
Poor SG.  Let's hope that Jim is ok. Thanks for the link Vicki, I'm sure lots of people will have a look at this. Appreciated. |
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Post by sylviag on Jun 24, 2012 7:18:02 GMT -4
The eventful life web site is an interesting read.
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Post by Michelle on Jun 25, 2012 1:02:31 GMT -4
CM, I think you are being a little bit harsh.
To those "on the outside", (and maybe even to those a bit more "in the know"!), the timing of the announcement was disasterous. Sylvias interpretation was to be totally expected and she is certainly not alone in her "ignorance" (although, as she correctly stated, she was the only one brave enough risk her "neck"!!)
The stepping down for "health reasons" is quite common media-speak for "oops... whats going on here" and to the vast majority of EA members who don't personally know Jim ... this will quite rightly sound alarm bells .... especially when followed within 24 hours by a very contenious team selection!
As per usual, the powers to be within EA retreat to their Cones of Silence and thus the speculation and gossip runs riot.
And good members like Sylvia, who faithfully pays her dues and supports and volunteers for her sport in so many ways, have no choice but to speculate. And again, she is certainly not the only one, she is simply the one brave enough to ask the questions. Perhaps she IS ignorant for expecting any response or answers from the EA or selectors!
Another great PR sucess story from the EA.
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Post by pudding on Jun 25, 2012 2:06:23 GMT -4
Very diplomatically put Michelle.  So..........whats the rumours around Black Caviar then..  I'm sure there are plenty! |
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Post by vicki on Jun 25, 2012 8:36:49 GMT -4
Michelle, Very well put.
I have the up-most respect for Jim and am upset that he is unwell.
But I am very annoyed that national, yet again, finds it necessary to retreat to silence.
I do understand that the membership dues are paid to the States and National is not dependent on or answerable to the members...but without the States and their membership the National Federation would be redundant.
I notice the press release about appeals has been removed from the national site?
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Post by sylviag on Jun 25, 2012 9:17:04 GMT -4
Thankyou Michelle, you're a legend! Exactly what I was trying to say. I found Rutherglen's performances - can't understand how he was picked above some of our other home based elite riders. Rutherglen, 2012 results so far from British Eventing web site: 6th (4 star), Withdrawn XC (3 star), 17th (4 star), Withdrawn XC (Advanced - what height is that??), 14th (A), 3rd (AI, adv int, what height??), Withdrawn XC (OI, open Int??) Nine results from 2011: 3rd (3 star), Retired (A), 22nd (3 star), 9th (A), 22nd (OI), 6th (A), 11th (I), 2nd (I), 8th (I), Seven 2010 results: 2nd (Open Int), 12th, (OI), Withdrawn XC (I), 20th (OI), Withdrawn XC (OI), 14th (2 star), 3rd (2 star). Are these good consistant results?? So far for 2012, Rutherglen has had 3 withdrawals on XC ? We need XC strength (and show jumping), it's not a dressage test. Rutherglen's results appear to be not all at 3 star but a mixture of heights. But i'm not sure as not familiar with BE classes/heights. Another overseas based horse, 2012 results: 19th (AI), 2nd (3 star), 2nd (AI), 16th (OI) 2011 results: 8th (4 star), E, eliminated after dressage (4 star), 3rd (3 star W), 22nd (OI), 24th (3 star) Super horse for the future but maybe not right now??? One of our home based elite Aussie riders who was not chosen, results from eventing nsw web site as best as I can find them 2012/ 2011/ 2010: 2nd, 2nd, 4th, 1st, 5th, 1st, 13th, 2nd, 2nd, 1st, 3rd (4 star), 2nd, 1st, 3rd, 11th, 5th, 8th, 1st, 1st, 1st - all 3 star placings except 1 x 4 star. Many congratulatons to all who were selected in the various squads in the lead up to the games, fully appreciate how hard it is to get to the top and stay there, not an easy task at all. Just not sure that the team is made up of the best performed horse/rider combinations. |
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Post by biggirl on Jun 25, 2012 18:22:12 GMT -4
Sylvia well done you found the elusive results. here's a clue how to rate the scores/results.
the total score they receive is more relevant than the placing, so even a win at 3star level say scoring around 50+ could be seen not as well rated as 4th at 3star scoring 40
it does become tricky with the different classes in the UK, but its obvious with the FEI classes, also don't forget CNC or CCI grading
I think you will find that Clayton's recent results probably more questionable than Rutherglen
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Post by Michelle on Jun 25, 2012 18:39:35 GMT -4
A few points .... 1) A quick look through the results of quite a few of the horses (of all nationalities) competing at Luhmuhlen shows that a very large majority of them did personal best tests by around 7-10 or more penalties! Quite a good day to do dressage or perhaps the results reflect that the judges were having a very happy day? In particular, Rutherglens 34 is quite an anomaly esp when compared to his 56.5 at Kentucky!! data.fei.org/Result/CompetitionSearch.aspx?p=5E433D796493849EE31515C06816D68CFFBED8545D07F503A8B60DF831A35A9A137F8F658F4BEC5529E85BC76844B649It was also Flying Finishs best score by about 5-15 penalties!! (See FEI site above for results - I can't make the link work!) 2) None of the dressage judges at Luhmuhlen are judging at London. 3) Anne-Mette Binder IS judging at London. She judged at both Adelaide and Kentucky. Nick Burton is also judging at London and also judged Kentucky. Gill Rolton is the third judge and she judged at Sydney 3de. As mentioned above, Rutherglen scored 56.5 at Kentucky under the Olympic judges. Every Australian based rider on the list (and quite a few others!!) scored higher at Adelaide under the Olympic judge than Andrew Hoy did at Kentucky. 4) As previously mentioned, the highest placed Australian at the past 4 Olympics has been Australian based. Not my "opinions" ... but some actual "facts" to think about. (Happy to give you my opinions ... if you have a few spare hours and are over 18!!) |
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Post by bono on Jun 25, 2012 21:05:55 GMT -4
I'm a Neville Nobody the same as sylviag and I would like to know what are the parameters for representing Australia and receiving funding and scholarships. Do the athletes have to put anything back into the sport IN AUSTRALIA. If so could anybody tell me what overseas based riders have done?
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