Xcountry - jumping wrong level

[Wendy]

Hi,

Just a quick question I'm sure Vince or someone on this forum can answer for me ....

On the weekend at Berrima saw a girl accidently jump an Intro level jumping instead of the Prelim jump next to it (she was offline coming into the jump and the horse jumped sideways, nearly taking out the flags).
She then went back and jumped the correct level Prelim jump ....

So I wanted to know ... would she just get 20penalities for a run-out or is it elimination?

[Mack]

Wendy,

I think you might be talking about me!! I thought I was meant to jump this hay thing but was actually meant to jump the log pile next to it. I lined my horse up to the bigger jump but she thought otherwise and jumped the one I was really meant to! When I went back around to jump it again the jump judges yelled at me to go on because I had jumped the right one!!!

There is another discussion thread on this topic but not sure what it is titled - it's about Macarthur. That might shed some more light on the matter.

Another thing is - because I wasn't presenting my horse to a jump when I circled it's not counted as a penalty. I had a similar thing at SIEC once where I hadn't presented my horse to the jump but came down the hill parallel to it, went past and then circled infront of it and through and didn't get penalised for it. This may have been just lucky but I may have done the right thing?

Mack

[gigi]

hey
not sure whether you're talking about me (sounds like my situation, but not quite that dramatic) i came out of the water(which was a little sticky) turned the corner and jumped the intro log instead of the prelim log. I circled and came back to the prelim log.
When the results were posted, I had been given 20 penalties, but ended up protesting. dad had caught the incident on film, which clearly showed that I had not presented to the prelim log. TD agreed and the penalties were removed...
not sure whether you were talking about me or not, but i know i didn't hit the flags or anything, and clearly presented to the wrong fence.
i suppose if the horse you're talking about had been presented to the prelim fence, but clearly svered sideways over the intro fence, then it would be counted as a refusal?
cheers

[Wendy]

Thanks Gigi - it might have been you that made me ask this question however I saw at least 2 people in Prelim do the same thing. Easy enough to do - I thought it looked like something I might accidently do so I wanted to know the official ruling.

Also I am a volunteer cross country jump judge at the SIEC 3DE coming up in June ... and wondered how I should score/record that sort of thing if it happened.

Glad you appealed and sorted things out.

[gigi]

hey wendy!
i'm not sure on the official ruling... maybe Vince will be able to give a more informed response. But i'm pretty sure if you were to entirely miss a jump, ie. jump a wrong one and not come back to the right one or just ocmpletley miss one you would be eliminated definately.
Have fun at the SIEC, should be a good expereince!
cheers

[vicki]

No penality for jumping a wrong jump as long as you still jump your jumps in correct order. But you would receive 20 pens if you present at your jump and then run off and jump a wrong jump.

BUT you can receive 25 pens for dangerous riding if you jump a jump because you are out of control or just going too fast to avoid the jump that just happens to be in front of you and your horse.

So, it is okay to jump a wrong jump if you just make an error of course, but you must come back and jump the correct jump or you choose to jump a jump that is not in your course because you think it gives you a better line to your jump or away from your jump.

[Wendy]

Thanks Vicki - makes sense ... if you don't present at your jump, no penalty for jumping another one ... if you do present at it and swerve at the last minute ... penalty for refusal.
Think that is fair.

[Mack]

There is also an issue about jumping a jump that is part of a higher level course. You are actually meant to be eliminated for dangerous riding (I think).